Glen Matlock interview audio clips

One of the most memorable of the Sex Pistols’ songs was Pretty Vacant, given a different treatment (for six saxophones and techno) by Thorne on his Sprawl CD. Glen Matlock wrote most of it, and he is still alive and kicking with a new CD. We interviewed him at his home in London on June 29 2000: a lively and frank interchange.

Glen Matlock interviewed by Mike Thorne

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Glen Matlock / Sex Pistols external links:
To Glen Matlock's personal website
To Sex-Pistols.net
To The Filth and the Fury


Does it ever get wearing being an ex-Pistol?
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But it opened a lot of doors and also defined a lot of people in the way that they thought, including you and me for that matter.

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You’re talking about the music business as if it’s synonymous with music.

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Couldn’t you have asked the same question in 1975 just when everything got very bland?

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Do you think that’s because it was more related, in the old days, innovations connected to song or have songs seemed to slip out of the equation?

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Right. Well, at the end of the Pistols, that was way after you’d left, it also became very navel gazing; it became very self-referential and just almost striking a pose. It was just going through motions...

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Well, for me, all the music in the Sex Pistols and what constitutes the music is arguable anyway really was defined before you left. Do you think that it would have continued to grow? Or do you think it was over for all of you by then?

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Would you go on another Pistols revival tour?

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Well there’s something timeless about the songs, but you’ve moved on to really focus on songwriting. Do you see yourself more as a writer or as a performer or do you think the two are inextricable?

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Do you think it is easier or harder to write for yourself?

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You talk about writing songs as though it is an old cliché. Pop songs are often in the same structure, anyway, but somehow it manages to stay fresh.

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Well, there are a lot of Y2K Punks who are just striking a pose and imitating the attitude that was defined a whole generation ago, but are there people in that area that you think are fresh and new?

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What got you going? How did you actually start in music?

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There’s a whole, the cliché of the Rock ‘n Roll spirit, it did mean something once upon a time. Do you think the sum pervasive quality, some attitude which just keeps surfacing in different guises, surfacing in The Stones or in The Faces or in The Pistols or in people now, recently. Are there any examples you can think of?

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It’s all to do with winding people up, isn’t it? Moreover, it’s winding people up in an abstract way that in the Seventies you’d wear a swastika or just do some outrageous thing, but it was all a general outrageousness. Where do you think the limit is? Where do you think is the edge that should be pushed?

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I was about to say a lot of pop music,a lot of the best pop music, is very subversive, and you mentioned ironic. So, it says one thing and implies another, and maybe the parents don’t get it.

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So it seems there’s not much room to maneuver in the pop song now - when you’re writing pop songs.

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One of your classic songs for me is Pretty Vacant, as you know. What was the genesis of that?

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It got stuck in a loop though because there’s quite a lot of luminaries from that period adopted that attitude, and they continued to be acerbic and continued to seemly recycle the same ideas. Does that strike you?

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Well, John, for example, gets a bit, I mean for me, he gets very shrill in his commentary, in his Matlock commentary. Does that ever get to you?
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The one thing that continues for you, though, is the instrumental line-up you work with. Do you think you might ever move outside the beat-combo lineup?

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Do you find the computer very useful for songwriting?

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In addition, it used to be relatively easy, in the pre-computer days, when you’re playing just because you would know when there was an exciting performance. It was something that everybody just seemed to feel in the water. Do you think there’s a danger of losing that now? Those things can be so deliberate and so carefully wrought?

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You think the controls we’ve got now is losing us in the details, and we’re missing the big strokes.

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With your new CD, did you have a struggle against this sea of getting buried in details because you recorded it partly as a layered production.

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Now that you’ve finished the CD and it’s ready to go you’re taking it on the road. How does the music change when you start playing it?

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Well, that’s Hollywood. Do the show right here.

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It puts it in perspective. So, do you think everybody takes it a bit too seriously now?

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So you don’t think there’s too much weight of history felt by anybody just because of all this music that’s floating around?

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However, you must have felt that same way from the mid-Seventies onwards.

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Glen Matlock / Sex Pistols external links:
To Glen Matlock's personal website
To Sex-Pistols.net
To The Filth and the Fury